John, I got the blind samples yesterday. Thank you. I tried the liquid wax today on the XLR. I really liked it!. I havent tried the LC yet. The LC is similar i to WG Thee wax smells fantastic. I have no idea what it is. If I had to guess I would say PB Natty Blue liquid. I will post my observations. Would you like some samples? If you would like I can send Ultima Waterless. I dont need to send it blind since I dont know anything else that yields 22 ounces with 1/2 ounces!